Saturday, 10 December 2016

The SNP have reached the end of their day


Something rather interesting just happened to Scottish politics, but I’m not sure anyone noticed. There is so much comment and speculation about day to day political events that there is a tendency to miss the essential. The complexity gets in the way of our ability to see the simplicity.  The SNP just did something very foolish indeed. The odd thing is that they apparently are not aware of this fact.

I began this blog when it became apparent that there was going to be a referendum on Scottish independence. At that point almost no-one in Scotland was much interested. It took a very long time indeed for me to build an audience. Mostly I was writing for myself and those few on either side who could see that the debate was building into something much larger. It was good practice. If you want to improve your writing just write more often.

I wrote all those articles however, because I thought that the Scottish independence referendum would be decisive and that it would end the discussion once and for all. It was for this reason only that I wanted to win. It seems impossibly na├»ve now as if I was taking part in an egg and spoon race. I had thought that if you don’t cross the line first or if the egg falls off the spoon, then you lose.

Since September 2014 I have put away childish things. I have learned that defeat in elections does not mean that you lose. I have learned that in Scotland time flows so quickly that a generation lasts only a day. It is as if we really did live in Brigadoon. I rather expect Nicola Charisse to burst into song and dance with a dodgy accent and for Gene Salmond to endlessly go on about the heather on the hill. But what they both are unaware of is that it really is the end of their day.



In London there has been a court case where someone who did not like the Brexit result has been arguing that the UK Government does not have the right to leave the EU without asking Parliament first. A number of very important judges, every single one of whom also did not like the Brexit result, have been deliberating impartially. Studying law means that you can rise above all prejudices in such a way that you are able to decide matters with pure reason. In this way you rise above the ordinary masses in a manner that they just cannot quite grasp not having had the benefit of studying law.

The SNP have also been involved in this court case. They have been arguing that because leaving the EU will have an impact on Scotland then the Scottish Parliament should also have a vote. Apparently this court case is momentous.  We are supposed to wait for the judgement as if it was being given by Solomon himself. But no-one seems to have noticed that someone has run off with the baby. There is no case, because there is no baby. The SNP will no longer be able to play divide and rule. They will not be able to cut Britain in half, because they have just made the means by which they wish to do so obsolete.



The other day the UK Parliament had its say about Brexit. It wasn’t the final vote. There will be other votes. There will be more complexity. But in essence we can be more or less sure that by the end of March the UK will tell the EU that we are leaving. Apparently they don’t know yet.

The UK Government will have to give Parliament a plan. But in negotiations a plan is never much more than a wish list. Remember how the SNP had a plan prior to the independence referendum of keeping all the things that they liked about the UK while at the same time becoming independent. The trouble with such plans is that they depend on the agreement of the other side. We just don’t know what sort of a relationship the EU will allow the UK once we negotiate our withdrawal. We may say we want to keep these nice things, but they may say that nice things depend on membership of the EU. No-doubt we will come to some sort of compromise, but that will emerge only behind closed doors during the negotiations.

The end result should be quite simple.  We ought to ask the EU for no more than they give us. If they give us free trade we give them free trade in return.  The number of EU citizens living and working in the UK should be comparable to the number of UK citizens living and working in the EU. Negotiation is about giving and receiving. We have things that we want. The EU has things that it wants. If we are to remain friends then we can come to a friendly arrangement. If the EU wants to be unfriendly then it should not expect friendly help in the future.

So some sort of wish list about getting the best possible deal for Britain will satisfy Parliament. Labour is not going to vote down triggering Article 50. Thank goodness we have a party in opposition that actually believes in democracy. I rather think also Labour don’t fancy a General Election just yet and don’t want to annoy all those voters in the North of England who voted Leave.

The court case in London looks rather irrelevant now as does the fact that the SNP voted against triggering Article 50. But a precedent has been set and it has consequences that are quite interesting for Scottish politics.

We had a legal referendum last June, but since then we have had continual attempts by those who were disappointed by the result to prevent the UK from leaving the EU. Now let’s imagine that at some time in the future the SNP wanted to hold another referendum on Scottish independence. Let’s imagine also that they won such a vote. No doubt they would expect all of us who voted to Remain in the UK to meekly agree with them and not kick up any sort of fuss. We would then all get behind the SNP and work together to create this new independent Scotland. This was indeed my intention back in 2014 if the vote had gone against me. But I have grown up since then.

What if a wealthy Scottish woman who was disappointed that Scotland had voted to leave the UK took the case to the High Court. It’s hard to imagine that such a case could not be heard. What about the precedent? Moreover, the SNP could hardly complain, because they had already taken part in a similar case. What if the devolved administrations in Wales and Northern Ireland also wanted to get involved? They might argue that Scottish independence would have a detrimental effect on them. After all Scottish independence would involve the destruction of the United Kingdom. People all over the UK might argue that they didn’t want their country destroyed. I imagine Ulster might say No if given the chance.

What have we learned in the past few months? We have essentially discovered that all referendums are advisory and depend on the will of Parliament. The SNP have just confirmed that it is legitimate for the UK Parliament to block the result of a legal, democratic referendum. They themselves voted to do so. But then it would equally be legitimate for the UK Parliament to block the result of a referendum on Scottish independence. Alternatively the UK Parliament could argue that there ought to be a second referendum on the terms of the divorce should Scotland ever vote to Leave. Perhaps this referendum ought to be UK wide given that the result would affect everyone. 

But referendums have become essentially gigantic, expensive opinion polls. The UK Parliament has the right to say No, sorry we don’t like the result. This frankly makes having such referendums pointless. Why have this step of holding a referendum if the UK Parliament decides the matter anyway? 

The SNP by its attempts to prevent Brexit has essentially removed the only means it has to take Scotland out of the UK. At some point the UK Government ought to make clear that in response to the events after the EU referendum it has become obvious that referendums themselves are pointless and contrary to the practice of British democracy. Well done SNP.  You have not stopped Brexit, but you have rendered yourself obsolete.


10 comments:

  1. Is this analogy not flawed though? You're comparing different internal and external stakeholders for the two referendums.

    In the case of the EU ref, the SNP claim that the devolved parliaments within the countries that voted in the referendum should have a say on the outcome. This would all be done internally within the UK with no external involvement from EU courts or parliaments to decide whether we actually go ahead with Brexit.

    The IndyRef scenario you present suggests that after the people of Scotland have voted for independence, it would then be open to the rest of the UK to decide whether or not it actually goes ahead. This would then be external to Scotland and comparable to the EU deciding on whether or not Brexit should go ahead.

    Not an informed view from me at all but it just seems as though you're presenting two quite different scenarios in terms of involvement from each party so one shouldn't be taken as a template for the other.

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    1. Its just another SNP Honeymoon over posting..... another one will be along after the May council elections. When once again they will have reached their zenith...

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  2. interesting but nothings this clear cut. people have very short attention spans. politics seems to be fast becoming the ultimate short term game when form has nothing to do with the result

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  3. I don't think you have been following the Supreme Court case very closely (as evidenced by 'apparently'). It had absolutely nothing to do with the result of the referendum - as the judges made clear. It was to decide who (executive or parliament) had the power to trigger Art 50. This is a question which goes right back to 1688 (1689 in Scotland's case) and is still to be resolved.
    The involvement of the devolved administrations was entirely secondary and merely asked the (important) question of whether those administrations needed to give their consent to an action which would significantly affect legislation in devolved areas. Each devolved administration (not just Scotland) put forward a different case.

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  4. The case on the UK constitution is far more important than Brexit, it is also not about stopping Brexit. If is about the internal UK constitutional arrangements and how much power is split between the executive & the legislature. In my view it demonstrates why the UK should modernise and write down in one place it's constitution, instead of having to go through lengthy interpretation such as this.

    Brexit will happen, what form it takes, well who knows, but if it causes economic damage then two things will happen, one the Tories as the party of Brexit will suffer defeat in the 2020 GE, & may render themselves toxic to the English electorate for some time, and the SNP will have the perfect platform / excuse for Indyref 2, with an electorate probably angry enough to bite this time.

    Many Leave supporters talk of short term pain for longer term gain, here they misunderstand how fickle & short term the electorate is, the short term pain will change minds and very quickly. The only hope for Brexit to stick & to retain the U.K. Is for Brexit to be successful or at least economically neutral immediately. So this 'plan' had better be good!

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  5. The key item of concern is the terms of the referendum act laid before parliament. If the Scottish referendum is termed as 'binding' then unlike the EU referendum which was advisory, it would have different consequences legally. I doubt, the SNP would be so stupid as to term any future referendum as advisory, however Westminster may well do so...

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    1. Don't remember it being said in any of the speeches,interviewsleaflets or any other media in the run up to the referendum that it was advisory. In fact it was constantly drummed into us by all that the result would be final and there would be no going back. Because the result did not suit it suddenly becomes advisory.

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  6. I didn't read anything that suggested that the SNP have reached the end of their day in your blog. Unfortunately they still control Holyrood and have a majority of Scottish MPs to represent us. I think you should be spelling out how they are actually making the country weaker by stoking division amongst the people of Scotland and the wider U.K.

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  7. What your motivation for writing this article was I don't know but I believe you must have one. It convinced me of nothing. I think it was inaccurate and digressed so often it was hard to keep track of what you were trying to say. For such a loyalist you seem to be confused with democracy and the law of the land. Everyone is conspiring against you and yours to prevent you from getting what you want. You are even accusing Supreme Court judges as being part of the conspiracy. I suppose I should add paranoia to my list of faults. First of all democracy is important but it is not more important than the law. If we do not apply our laws correctly then we cannot have democracy. Brexit is but one small event in our lands' history. It will come and it will go. However, the laws of our land have been developed by many wise people over hundreds of years. They will still be here long after you and I have died. If we do not follow our laws we have nothing. Citizens should be entitled to use those laws if they feel their rights are being infringed. Running over the top of people does not mean democracy. Applying the law ensures democracy is being followed correctly. So the lady (
    With all the money you seem to resent) and any of the devolved powers have a query then they are entitled to raise this issue. If this does not meet the conservative govs plans for
    Art-50 then they should have planned it better. Blame the correct source not the people who are taking action in the courts, it is their right. You also imply Scotland was voting for independence and not for Brexit. You must be one of the few who think that. Very little thought was put into this referendum as can be seen from the mess that it is in. The UK is in a very bad place at the moment and all that will keep it together is the true application of the law. If not, we will descend into disaster.

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  8. "The SNP have reached the end of their day".

    Almost - but not for the reasons outlined in this article, although as always you make some very good points Effie.

    The SNP are nearing the end because the smooth, easy road they have travelled until now is about to split into 3 possible directions, all leading to serious bother for them. Should they bottle out of holding another referendum, their support will desert them. Should they hold a referendum and lose it, they are finished for a proper generation. Should they hold a referendum and win it, Scotland and, by extension, the SNP, are finished.

    So its a bumpy ride for them from this moment on - a comforting thought for anyone who can't stomach the arrogant, smug, sanctimonious fuckers. I don't often swear but it is at times justified depending on the odiousness of who or what you are talking about - and they are ODIOUS.

    We just have to hope that, when they crash, they don't take Scotland and the UK with them.

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